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Post by John on Aug 27, 2008 12:35:57 GMT
In Carl's defence I don't think Pheonix ever suggested anything different, although I also wonder whether taking part incognito is so wise. I'm not a historical wargamer, and I've had nothing to do with any of the club's previous event games so I know the limited value of my opinion but I would of thought we would be best focusing the club's resources on things in it's name that might raise awareness.
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Post by Matt on Aug 27, 2008 12:45:32 GMT
I'm with John. If we were to attend we should do so as Bedford not on the sly. I would imagine that Kelmarsh will probably say they are already represented by Rushden. If we did get in though I would suggest a game with some English Heritage. As much as Dave is itching to use his Egyptians they don't really have much in the way of English Heritage about them.
ECW/Romans/Arthur/Napoleon/SYW etc all have elements of English Heritage.
Having to pay for a Pheonix card isn't a biggy though - £6 is surely cheaper than the cost of a normal entry ticket.
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Post by sapper on Aug 27, 2008 12:46:29 GMT
I think John's got a valid point. I don't suppose there's any prohibition against us all wearing Gladiators shirts while still being members of Phoenix, though ? Personally speaking, the discount at Osbournes would soon pay me back the £6 outlay !
Martyn
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Post by mike on Aug 27, 2008 12:50:22 GMT
Yes John - I agree entirely
I myself do not believe that Carl ever expected that we would masquerade as Phoenix, he has simply invited us to share their tent
However, I'm not sure anybody from Bedford has contacted the Kelmarsh organisers yet so the whole issue is still a little grey
I just think this needs to be resolved before we start marking plans for the game(s) we want to run
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Post by mike on Aug 27, 2008 13:08:29 GMT
Regarding game selection
I know I was initially quite enthusiastic about Kadesh, but I think Matt has a good point
Kelmarsh is supposed to be a celebration of English history, so something with an English involvement would probably be more appropriate
Suggestion: How about the Battle of Naseby - it ticks all the right boxes: -> It was arguably the most important battle of the English Civil War -> There's plenty of spectacle -> It should be easy enough to set a game up (there are any number of rule set that should work) -> It's about as local as you can get (Naseby is about 4 miles from Kelmarsh) -> And it's quite famous so everybody will know what we're doing
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Post by Mark Wightman on Aug 27, 2008 13:24:15 GMT
I wasn't trying to have a pop at Carl - far from it. If somebody was helping out with a Gladiators game say at Newbury - I'd expect them to be a club member if they wanted one of our free tickets. It was the principle that only Rushden Phoenix are allowed to do games that I have a problem with.
I strongly believe that if the Gladiators are to put on an game then we need to get an official invite from the organisers - and put it on as the Gladiators. If the organisers decide that they only want games from Rushden Phoenix (which I think was the case last time) then I do not think we should put on a Gladiators game. This would not prevent individual members putting on games in conjunction with Phoenix - I guess for which they'd have to be members of the Rushden club.
We've been putting on games at shows for 20+ years now, and the norm is for the participants to get free entry to the event. The only other time I can recall being asked to pay anything was a couple of months ago for Game08 - which we turned down for that very reason.
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Post by John on Aug 27, 2008 13:25:24 GMT
I think what I was trying to suggest is that we should probably either:
1/ Treat Kelmarsh as Rushdens event, in which case it would still be great if our club members could help them put on a fantastic event (but do it in their name). 2/ Organise to go as a seperate club (even if we share the location). My only concern with this is that it might lead to some friction between the two clubs, with us jumping into what was Rushden's turf (and I wouldn't blame them for disliking that at all).
If we go as a 'side event' sneaking in as Rushden but advertising the Gladiators on our table two possible outcomes are we look like the 'also rans' completely outshined by Rushden's display or even worse we somehow manage to upstage them with the sheer magnificence of our one table, steal the thunder at their event and create bad blood between the two clubs.
As a sidenote, are there not a 101 of these types of event around our area. Surely we could speak to the organisers of another event regarding displaying there?
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Post by John on Aug 27, 2008 13:29:24 GMT
If I'd of known what Mark was typing when I posted I would of saved my keys some where and gone with "What he said"
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Post by Matt on Aug 27, 2008 13:47:29 GMT
John I hang on your every word - its as if the bard himself typed it.
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Post by sapper on Aug 27, 2008 16:07:49 GMT
I'd just like to add...I only need one more post to get another star !!!!
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Post by sapper on Aug 27, 2008 16:08:26 GMT
...and here it is !!!
Ok, I promise to stop this silliness now.
Martyn (***)
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Post by dave3 on Aug 27, 2008 18:25:11 GMT
This seems to have stirred up more of a hornets nest than John's Naked Vampires !! My impression was that we come along to aid Rushden, as Bedford Gladiators, not to be "under the wire". The point made about Kadesh not being of a British connection is valid, (Thermopylae!?!) but in addition as there is already an ancient game planned we could do something C18, which we have done very well in the past...bring out Colloden again perhapse? If it is the case that either Carl feels we are treading on Phoenix turf(not intended), or the organisers just want Northampton clubs, or for whatever reason we cannot attend under our own colours, then perhapse it is best to leave well alone before tears are shed! We have a very good relationship with our fellow GCN club, and share alot of members, we would not wish to jepordise this. Dave
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Post by steven on Aug 27, 2008 18:26:09 GMT
CRIKEY! I think Mike is right - perhaps we should simply attend in our own right, as we would do at any other show. Or perhaps, as this isnt a wargames show as such, not go. I can, for once see both sides. I can understand that Mark is agreeved by this = its a bit much to encourage us to attend this show but then insist that we have to join the Rushden club i think. Ah ha - the difficulty of this!
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Post by mike on Aug 28, 2008 8:13:40 GMT
if ... the organisers just want Northampton clubs Actually Dave, I don't think that's the case Something Carl mentioned last night - Phoenix got involved with Kelmarsh because he saw an advert in one of the wargames mags (I forget which one he said it was). The ad mentioned that there were no wargames clubs that year, so Carl rang them up and offered to put a game on. The impression I got, reading between the lines as it were, is that Rushed were the only wargames club at Kelmarsh because they were the only ones who contacted the organisers and asked about it.
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Post by dave3 on Aug 28, 2008 18:31:01 GMT
Interesting. I was not aware of that. I was under the impression that they were invited because they were a Northampton club, hey ho! Do people wish me to contact Kelmarsh direct? Carl, are you OK for me to do that? Do we have enough interest to warrant the effort? Dave
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