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Post by Matt on Sept 21, 2008 20:33:13 GMT
Has anybody tried Might and Reason for SYW?
A friend of find of mine is keen to get into SYW has tow SYW armies in 15mm but no rules.
Any suggestions?
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Post by Matt on Sept 21, 2008 20:34:30 GMT
And when I say friend I don't mean it in the sense "my friend has a rash!". I do really mean a friend
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Post by dave3 on Sept 21, 2008 22:09:19 GMT
;D A rash what?
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Post by sapper on Sept 21, 2008 23:11:12 GMT
Matt You... I'm sorry... 'your friend with the rash'...could try: Die Kriegkunst - from Partizan Press. Basically its General de Brigade for SYW. Try this link www.edinburghwargames.com/SYW.htmOR Minden Rose OR Warfare in the Age of Reason - this is what we use for 28mm SYW at the club OR Age of Honour - this is a freebie from the web and is Fire and Fury for SYW. I have copies of all these if you'd like me to bring any of 'em along on Monday for you to look at on behalf of your rash-free friend. Martyn
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Post by Matt on Sept 22, 2008 6:01:22 GMT
Of these though which ones are any good ?
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Post by sapper on Sept 22, 2008 11:21:02 GMT
Ah... well.. that's the question.
Age of Reason is good from the point of view that everyone else in the club has their 28mm armies based up for it. Wouldn't recommend it otherwise, though.
Personally I like the look of Die Kriegkunst - but have never actually played a game.
Others at the club (Mark, Richard) have tried Minden Rose so could give you some idea of how that plays.
For big games in 15mm Age of Honour might work quite well. Its derived from Age of Eagles which itself is an off-shoot of Fire and Fury. Terry and I have played Age of Eagles (Napoleonic) and liked it.
I have to admit I'm still on the look out for the perfect SYW rule-set myself.
Martyn
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Post by Matt on Sept 22, 2008 11:34:47 GMT
Well in that case then I may well go with Might and Reason as its based on Grand Armee and I rather liked the look of that.
I only need to buy the rules as he's supplying the models ;D
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Post by sapper on Sept 22, 2008 12:57:54 GMT
Matt
If you go with Might and Reason I'd be interested in how they play. I have just taken delivery of the first 18 infantrymen which will be the cadre around which an Austrian SYW army will form ... eventually.
Martyn
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Post by Matt on Sept 22, 2008 13:01:28 GMT
Well we're looking to trial the rules at my house 3rd weekend in October.
I'm sure he wouldn't mind if you wanted to pop round. The more the merrier.
We may even just end up with playing with cards with unit details written on!! Saves rebasing etc to see if the rules are any good!
I'll be ordering them from Caliver this week
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Post by sapper on Sept 22, 2008 15:27:27 GMT
Matt
If my depressingly onerous domestic schedule allows I'd like to. I'll try and pencil it in. Cheers.
Martyn
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Post by Mark Wightman on Sept 24, 2008 7:58:52 GMT
I've a copy. Very much the same as Grand Armee. Rules seem easy enough, but it's all about Command & Control, so they won't suit everybody. Also, getting the size of the battle right will be important, as too few commands means too much control.
Let me know how you get on.
I'd love to give Grand Armee a try too - but my Nappys are 28mm, and the rules are, to my mind at least, more suitable for <=15mm, just because you need to fight a large battle for the rules to work as designed.
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Post by Matt on Sept 24, 2008 13:24:59 GMT
Well I've taken the plunge and ordered the rules today. I'll be interested to see how they turn out.
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Post by Mark Wightman on Sept 25, 2008 9:37:17 GMT
I spent an hour or so last night looking through these rules again. They still look good, but I remember why we haven't tried the at the club. Basically our AoR basing isn't compatible with the rules.
In MaR units consist of two bases. Cavalry and Infantry should use the same base width - which is then used to calculate ranges and moves, as everything is measured in base widths (BW).
I can't immediately think of a way we could easily use our existing collections, where our infantry are based 4 stands to a unit - each 1.5 x 1 inch, and the cavalry 6 stands to a unit - each 2 x 2.
I guess the closest we could get would be to use 2 of our infantry bases side-by-side to represent 1 MaR base (so it would be 3 x 1), thus a unit would be 6 x 1 deployed in line and 3 x 2 deployed in column. Then use 3 stands of Cavalry for each unit, in line they would be 6 x 2, and column 4 x 4 (2 in front rank, 1 in rear).
If we can find an easy work around then we should give these a run out at the club sometime soon. Any other suggestions, am I missing something obvious?
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Post by Matt on Sept 25, 2008 10:49:40 GMT
The only thing I could suggest is to make some movement trays and use these for the base measurement.
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Post by sapper on Sept 25, 2008 11:08:55 GMT
Rudimentary movements trays was the solution to the basing problem Matt and I were considering for Grand Armee. That wy we could decide how many stands make a reasonable sized unit.
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