What did you make of them, Martyn? I've heard mixed responses. Most people seem positive about the appearance of the rules - and they do look pretty, but I've heard quite a few negative comments about how much fun they are to play.
I started ancients at the tail end of WRG 6th ed., but really cut my teath on 7th ed., which I liked a lot. When DBM took over I slowly lost interest. I found DBM far too stylised for my liking.
FoG brings back units (battle groups), proper shooting, and wavering/morale tests (cohesion tests). My first game 15mm 800 pts a side) took nearly 8 hours to reach a conclusion. It did get quicker when we started to know the mechanisms, but there is little in the way of collapsing morale which you'd get in 6thed, or demoralised commands as in DBM. You make progress by forcing your opponents battle groups to take (and hopefully fail) cohesion tests, but the disintyegration of morale is quite slow, and doesn't set off the catastrophic domino effect when a unit in the centre routs.
The melee seems quite decisive because you have effectively two rounds in each bound. When a unit charges you get a round of impact combat when things like pila and other impact weapons stand you in good stead. Then, later in the same bound, you get standard melee combat. So the long drawn out struggle between pike blocks and legionaries,. for example, tends to be settled much more quickly, albeit with less decisive knock-on effects for your nearby troops. A 50 - 50 impact combat round result will affect the melee round quite significantly. So, my late Replican legionaries saw off some Seleucid pike quite soundly because they were quite fortunate in getting the upper hand during the impact phase.
So, if you're looking for a fast and fun game to finish on a Monday evening FoG's not it. A longer more considered game over 5 or 6 hours, though, is a different matter.
Yes I have been looking through my ruleset of FoG. I had played 5th and 6th ed WRG back in my army days, but it put me off Ancients completely!! However I am looking favourably at FoG. some elements remind me of Armati, and some of more old school rules. I will have to get the suppliment for an army I actualy OWN rather than want to build !! I have large amounts of 15mm Saxons and Normans, a Selucid army, and Thracians.
Egyptians already based for WAB Martyn !! I was thinking of using FoG for my 15mm armies, and maybe expanding my Italian Condotta from a DBA force to a full on army! (this will mean persuading my brother to expand his French Ordonnance LoL!). But as I say, I have some DBM 15mm armies already, that should translate to FoG. (The Thracians are 6th/7th Ed I think !) Dave
Hmm looking at the FoG Site, the Dark age Suppliment won't be out till next year. So the only armies I can field are maybe my Selucid, and Thracian, I have other bits and bobs for Greece, that may be usefull. Dave
Just completed my first game of FoG with Mr Wilkins. First impressions were very enjoyable indeed. Rules are nicely laid out and the game mechanics are simple enough to be straight forward to play but yet have enough complexities to get away from the DBA paper/scissor/stone approach. I'd agree with Martyn in that we were playing for 3 hours and did not really get a conclusion to the game - although this was mostly in part to neither of us remembering the rules and having to double check things. This was down to Dave and I having poor memories rather than the way the rules were written. The main problem the rules gave me was the desire to start yet ANOTHER army! ;D
I'm sure with a bit of practice you could have a game in an evening at the club as it all seemed pretty straight forward.
Hello Dave and all - my first time on here and with a couple of ancients armies I thought I would check out people's feelings on FoG before I ventured out and got the rule book. Seems to me that you have to base them completely differently for FoG is this correct? I only play WAB so would that cause my current troops to be invalid for a game of FoG? Also the length of the game seems to be quite long - how many rounds did you fit in over the evening Dave? I have the Rise of Rome supplement book but to be honest its a bit gobbledegook without the actual FoG rule book.
Hi Warren, welcome to the forum! FOG is basicly from the same stable as WRG, made by players on the Nationals cuircuit (JD Mcniell! from BHGS< who owns Slytherine)and uses the same basing conventions. However, if you have the same base sizes, and maybe put onto card unit bases with blutack, you could play it that way. Some of us still have our old DBM or DBA armies from years ago, and these will work as based the same (for 15mm) Dave
Yes we must rectify that situation. The one game we had played was enjoyable. Allowing for the fact we were working out how to play it at the same time,that in itself is good. Waterstones(the high street bookstore) are doing a 3 for 2 deal at present on all Ospreys, so a good time to buy FOG and a couple of supliments. I cant wait for the dark age book to come out myself, as I have lots of Saxons and Normans in 15mm. At present we are using my Alexandrian successor, vs Thracians. But I did mean to buy an Italian Condotta force, to expand on my DBA army...so many projects, so little time (and cash!) Dave